| [Index] |
| Donald Ogilvie GRANT (1870 - 1949) |
| Children | Self + Spouses | Parents | Grandparents | Greatgrandparents |
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Dorothy Jean Maryna GRANT (1916 - 1988) Donald GRANT (1918 - 2006) Dulcie GRANT (1920 - 2013) David Charles GRANT (1923 - 1943) Dallas Hume GRANT (1925 - 1980) Living |
Donald Ogilvie GRANT (1870 - 1949) + Dorothy EADE (1893 - 1973) Elizabeth Grace TURNBULL |
John James 'Hamish' Olgilvie GRANT | ||
| Jean WILSON | ||||
| b. abt 1870 at Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland |
| m. (1) 14 Jul 1914 Dorothy EADE (1893 - 1973) at Townsville, Queensland, Australia |
| m. (2) 27 Feb 1935 Elizabeth Grace TURNBULL at Melbourne, Victoria, Australia |
| d. 03 Mar 1949 at Murrindindi, Victoria, Australia aged 79 |
| Parents: |
| John James 'Hamish' Olgilvie GRANT |
| Jean WILSON |
| Children (6): |
| Dorothy Jean Maryna GRANT (1916 - 1988) |
| Donald GRANT (1918 - 2006) |
| Dulcie GRANT (1920 - 2013) |
| David Charles GRANT (1923 - 1943) |
| Dallas Hume GRANT (1925 - 1980) |
| Grandchildren (11): |
| Events in Donald Ogilvie GRANT (1870 - 1949)'s life | |||||
| Date | Age | Event | Place | Notes | Src |
| abt 1870 | Donald Ogilvie GRANT was born | Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland | 18 | ||
| 14 Jul 1914 | 44 | Married Dorothy EADE (aged 21) | Townsville, Queensland, Australia | 1914/C3798 | 18 |
| 30 Mar 1916 | 46 | Birth of daughter Dorothy Jean Maryna GRANT | 18 | ||
| 23 Dec 1918 | 48 | Birth of son Donald GRANT | 18 | ||
| 06 Feb 1920 | 50 | Birth of daughter Dulcie GRANT | Townsville, Queensland, Australia | 18 | |
| 11 Nov 1923 | 53 | Birth of son David Charles GRANT | Granite Hills, Queensland, Australia | 18 | |
| 01 Aug 1925 | 55 | Birth of son Dallas Hume GRANT | 18 | ||
| 27 Feb 1935 | 65 | Married Elizabeth Grace TURNBULL | Melbourne, Victoria, Australia | ||
| 20 Dec 1943 | 73 | Death of son David Charles GRANT (aged 20) | Boppard, Germany | Note 1 | 18 |
| 03 Mar 1949 | 79 | Donald Ogilvie GRANT died | Murrindindi, Victoria, Australia | ||
| Note 1: Germany-Air Battle, buried: in Killed in action. Body not found. memorial at Runnymede. |
| Source References: |
| 18. Type: E-mail Message, Abbr: e-mails general pool, Title: e-mails general pool |
| - Reference = Gloria Sheehan 24-6-09 (Marriage) |
| - Reference = Gloria Sheehan 24-6-09 (Birth) |
| - Reference = Gloria Sheehan 24-6-09 (Name, Notes) |
| - Notes: Donald Ogilvie Grant to Elizabeth Turnbull
Marriage certificate 27th Feb 1935 Age 64 – birth then about 1870/71 Marital status : widower since 29th April 1915. Indicates only 1 child deceased so presumably indicates that first wife died in childbirth. Counting back 9 months for a pregnancy from April 1915 give July 1914. Occupation: Miner Birth: Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland Father: James Ogilvie Grant Father’s Occupation: Physician & surgeon Mother: Jean Wilson Donald Grant to Dorothy Eade Marriage Certificate 4th July 1914: Age 40 years (which was 19 years older than grandmother but she later said that he was a few years older than that) – birth then would be abt 1870/71 to 1874. Grandmother states his age in the missing person’s report filed in 1930 as 60 which confirms a birth year of abt 1870. Occupation: Accountant Birth: Forres, Morayshire, Scotland Father: Hamish Grant (Hamish was a nickname for James/ John etc and did not exist as a formal name at that time) Father’s Occupation: Surgeon Mother: Jean Wilson Donald Ogilvie Grant: Death report 3rd March 1949 Age 78 years – birth abt 1870/71 Occupation: Grazier (miner on marriage cert in 1935) Father: James Ogilvie Grant, Physician Mother: Jean Grant formerly Wilson Birth: Elgin, Scotland Time in Aust, and which states: 38 years, all states (arriving then abt 1911) Details of first marriage: Place: Australia At age: 44 (which would make it about 1915, the year he showed as being widowed) To Whom: …….Kruiger (see notes) Dorothy Eade met Donald Grant in Townsville around 1912 when he was travelling throughout Australia, apparently purchasing and training horses for the British Army. He had also apparently, prior to that, been in South Africa where he supposedly fought in the Boer War then joined Driscoll’s Scouts. Despite his apparent occupation, their marriage certificate gives his occupation as ‘accountant’ and later he was an ‘agent’ so it’s possible he wasn’t a qualified accountant. He was very well spoken with a Scottish accent, an excellent horseman and may have also been able to play the piano competently. Dorothy was, at the time, the matron at the Quarantine Station in Townsville and it may be she met Donald when some of his horses went into quarantine. Dorothy’s parents did not approve of the association because of their age difference (Dorothy was only 19 at the time). They therefore waited until after she turned 21 on 25th (birth certificate says 26th) April 1914 before marrying on 4th July 1914. They married quietly, without fuss, at the Methodist Parsonage in Stokes Street, Townsville. (In itself it isn’t significant but in the light of other things it is worth noting that Dorothy’s birthday, 25/26th April, is very similar to the date- 29th April - Donald Ogilvie Grant claims that he was widowed. He also shows on his marriage certificate that there was 1 child ‘deceased’ from his first marriage indicating that his first wife died in childbirth. Nine months back from April 1915 is July 1914). Donald’s age on their marriage certificate is 40 years which would mean that he was born about 1874 but she later told one of her children that Donald was actually ‘a few years older’ than that. This could mean that he was born any time from around 1870 onwards. He gave his birth place as Forres in Morayshire which had formerly been known as Elginshire, in Scotland. It seems that , with her parents already being against the union because of the age difference, Dorothy and Donald shaved a few more years off his age when they were planning to marry. He showed his parents as being Hamish Grant a surgeon, and Jean nee Wilson. Donald enlisted in WW1 stating in his enlistment papers that he had spent 5 ½ years in the NWMP in Canada, then a further period with the 2nd CMR before going with them to South Africa for the Boer War. He also stated that he had then been a Lieutenant with Driscolls Scouts. Donald and Dorothy had six children between 1916 and 1928 and in 1930 he disappeared from a train between Giru and Ayr, North Queensland. The family story was that, since it had been during the Depression, and he was an agent carrying a briefcase, someone had thought he was carrying money, assaulted or killed him and thrown him from the train while crossing a river bridge, never to be seen again. Over the years, mature thinking and a bit of research started to pose more questions than were answered. One thing was clarified by Scottish researchers – Hamish was not a formal name at the time and would have been used as a pet name for James or John or one of the derivatives. The name Hamish just does not appear in records for that period and we were assured that it was most likely James. Despite searches both with ‘snail mail’ and then the Internet, only two marriages could be located in Scotland for a James Grant to a Jean Wilson, both of them before Donald’s time and neither of which produced a son named Donald or even one born in his time period. In neither case was James a physician. (A surgeon names James Grant, and a Jean Wilson appear as parents on records for both Donald grant and Donald Ogilvie Grant but there is no record of a surgeon James Grant married to Jean Wilson either) Searches of available records for the NWMP, the 2nd CMR and Driscoll’s Scouts revealed no trace of a Donald Grant that tied in with all details. There is no Donald Grant at all in Driscoll’s Scouts let alone as a lieutenant and no Donald Grant who was formerly with the NWMP and went to SA with the 2nc CMR. While researching in the Queensland Archives, the following was discovered on page 5151 of the Queensland Police Gazettes for January to December 1930 (QSA Ref SRS 798/1). It appears in the issue dated 1st November 1930-Ayr: Information is requested, at the instance of Dorothea Grant, care of Charlie Eade, Walker Street, Townsville, as to the whereabouts of her husband Donald Grant, with the object of inducing him to provide means of support for herself and six children. Description: 60 years of age, about 5’11” high, fair complexion, short, grey hair (bald), nose inclined to be Roman shape, stout build (inclined to be corpulent), has a sore leg, speaks with a Scotch accent, good appearance, wears glasses, an accountant, a native of Scotland, wore blue serge trousers, grey “Sports” coat, white “Sports” shirt, tan shoes and a felt hat. Left Giru on the 16th July last by train for Brisbane, supposed en route to Adelaide to board a boat conveying flour to South Africa from which country he came after the South African war. That Dorothy gives Donald’s age as 60 in this missing person’s bulletin of 1930 indicates that he was actually born in 1870 and not 1874 as stated on his marriage certificate. That ties in with her telling family members later that he was actually older than the age they gave when they married. She also said that he left off those few extra years when he enlisted in WW1 otherwise they would not have accepted him. He was eventually invalided back to Australia anyway with lung problems. He may also have been diabetic. Dorothy was long dead by the time we discovered these things but family remembered her saying that their father (Donald) had talked about a friend from the past who owned a mine in South Africa. Did ‘miner’ become a new occupation for him? There are so many similarities between the two Donalds. Morayshire was formerly known as Elginshire and even if he was referring to the town of Elgin rather than the county of Elginshire, Forres and Elgin are only about 10 to 15 miles apart. The ages (allowing for the bit of manipulation of Donald’s when he married Dorothy) are similar, the length of time in, and wanderings around, Australia is about the same. According to the 1935 marriage certificate, Donald Ogilvie’s first wife apparently died on 29th April, 1915 and it also shows that there was one deceased child of the union (despite the fact that his death document shows no issue from either marriage). This indicates that he infers that she died in childbirth which would make his marriage date sometime in 1914. The date on which Donald O claims he was widowed is so close to Dorothy’s birth date and he was supposedly married for the first time when he was 44 (1914/1915) which would tie in with Donald’s age plus those few shaved years ...but there is one more ‘cruncher’. When the information was being filled in on the paperwork after his death, the only thing that Elizabeth could recall about Donald O’s first wife was the name ‘Kruiger’. Dorothy’s mother was a Boer (South African Dutch) woman whose family on both her father’s (Vorster) and mother’s (Joubert) side were heavily involved in the Boer side of the Anglo South African Boer War. Along one of the branches of the family, Paul Kruger had married in and all family remembers that she used to boast about being ‘related to Paul Kruger’. We heard the story time and again when we were young, that we were “distantly related to Paul Kruger’. It was so distant as to be extremely tenuous at best, but it was a bragging point for the family. Donald Grant was obviously not averse to puffing himself up a bit and much of his background is suspect so if he and Donald Ogilvie Grant are one and the same, then Donald O couldn’t have helped himself. Although he might not have given out any other details of his ‘first ‘ marriage (probably something like - ‘she died in childbirth and I can’t bear to discuss it’)he would not have been able to help continuing the bragging about his first wife’s family being related to Paul Kruger. On the Australian electoral rolls, Donald OGILVIE Grant appears for the first time on the 1936 rolls (the year after marrying Elizabeth) and not before, despite the fact that he apparently had been in the country for many years. Donald Grant: Born :about 1870 in Forres, Morayshire (formerly Elginshire) Scotland In Australia (travelled through most states) about 38 years Father: Hamish (James) Grant Father’s occupation: Surgeon/physician Mother: Jean Wilson Married: Australia 4th July 1914 Wife’s birthday: 25/26 April Wife’s maiden name Eade – a daughter of Maryna Johanna Vorster whose line includes (only distantly, and by marriage) Paul Kruger which was always a boasting point among family. Proven military service: WW1 for two years ending as acting adjutant Weymouth Camp, UK – invalided home with lung problems. Unproven military service: 5 years with NWMP, 2 years with 2nd CMR in Canada and South Africa, followed by stint with Driscoll’s Scouts in South Africa. Can find no records of any of this. Appears to have remained in South Africa for some time after the Boer War where he apparently had an acquaintance who owned a mine. So, in the end, what we have is:Donald Ogilvie Grant: Born: about 1870 in Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland (abt 15 miles from Forres) In Australia (all states) about 38 years Father: James Ogilvie Grant Father’s occupation: Surgeon/physician Mother: Jean Wilson First Married: Australia abt 1914 Claims widowed: 29th April 1915 First wife’s maiden name shown on death report as ……..Kruiger |