| [Index] |
| John CRAMP (1809 - 1873) |
| coal merchant, telegraphic linesman |
| Children | Self + Spouses | Parents | Grandparents | Greatgrandparents |
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Marianne Mary Ann CRAMP (1834 - 1923) Frances Harriet CRAMP (1835 - 1929) John James CRAMP (1837 - 1905) Sophia Matilda Emily CRAMP (1840 - 1901) Caroline CRAMP (1840 - 1920) Harriette CRAMP (1842 - 1911) |
John CRAMP (1809 - 1873) + Sophia Matilda BALLS (1813 - 1866) |
John CRAMP | ||
| Jane OLIPHANT | ||||
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| b. 14 Nov 1809 at Thanet, Buckinghamshire, England |
| m. 22 Sep 1833 Sophia Matilda BALLS (1813 - 1866) at St Marylebone, Middlesex, England |
| d. 12 Apr 1873 at Banana, Queensland, Australia aged 63 |
| Near Relatives of John CRAMP (1809 - 1873) | ||||||
| Relationship | Person | Born | Birth Place | Died | Death Place | Age |
| Father in Law | James BALLS | |||||
| Mother in Law | Elizabeth (BALLS) | |||||
| Father | John CRAMP | |||||
| Mother | Jane OLIPHANT | |||||
| Self | John CRAMP | 14 Nov 1809 | Thanet, Buckinghamshire, England | 12 Apr 1873 | Banana, Queensland, Australia | 63 |
| Wife | Sophia Matilda BALLS | abt 1813 | Boston, Lincolnshire, England | 12 Jul 1866 | At sea | 53 |
| Daughter | Marianne Mary Ann CRAMP | 1834 | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | 12 Jul 1923 | Bannana, Queensland, Australia | 89 |
| Daughter | Frances Harriet CRAMP | abt 1835 | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | 29 Jul 1929 | Turramurra, New South Wales, Australia | 94 |
| Son | John James CRAMP | abt Dec 1837 | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | 1905 | Waverley, New South Wales, Australia | 68 |
| Daughter | Sophia Matilda Emily CRAMP | 07 May 1840 | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | 11 Feb 1901 | Queensland, Australia | 60 |
| Daughter | Caroline CRAMP | abt Dec 1840 | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | 1920 | Waverley, New South Wales, Australia | 80 |
| Daughter | Harriette CRAMP | abt Sep 1842 | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | 1911 | Glebe, New South Wales, Australia | 69 |
| Son in Law | Walter BENNETT | abt 1836 | London, Middlesex, England | abt 1873 | 37 | |
| Son in Law | Samuel Harborne BELCHER | 1834 | Yorkshire, England | 21 Aug 1920 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 86 |
| Daughter in Law | Penelope Esther Anne TRIVETT | 09 Oct 1857 | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | 01 Dec 1931 | Waverley, New South Wales, Australia | 74 |
| Son in Law | John William DEAR | 21 Nov 1836 | 02 Sep 1920 | Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | 83 | |
| Son in Law | Henry John TILLIDGE | |||||
| Son in Law | Charles ARTLETT | |||||
| Grandson | Walter John F BENNETT CRAMP | abt Feb 1861 | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | 12 Jul 1866 | At sea | 5 |
| Grandson | Frederick BENNETT | Drayton, Queensland, Australia | 1960 | Queensland, Australia | ||
| Grandson | Charles Sydney BENNETT | 1865 | Drayton, Queensland, Australia | 1946 | Queensland, Australia | 81 |
| Grandson | John Cramp BENNETT | 1870 | Banana, Queensland, Australia | 30 May 1939 | Queensland, Australia | 69 |
| Grandson | Walter CRAMP | 1874 | Banana, Queensland, Australia | 1889 | Queensland, Australia | 15 |
| Grandson | Stuart Harborne BELCHER | 1864 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 1950 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 86 |
| Grandson | Herbert I BELCHER | 1866 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 1934 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 68 |
| Grandson | Francis R BELCHER | 1867 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 1867 | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | 0 |
| Granddaughter | Maud Frances BELCHER | 13 Dec 1868 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 17 Apr 1966 | Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | 97 |
| Grandson | Stanley Russell H BELCHER | 1870 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 1871 | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | 1 |
| Granddaughter | Beatrice Caroline H (Bunny) BELCHER | 1871 | Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia | 03 Nov 1965 | Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | 94 |
| Grandson | John Francis CRAMP | 1887 | Paddington, New South Wales, Australia | 13 Mar 1933 | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | 46 |
| Granddaughter | Sophia CRAMP | 1888 | Woollahra, New South Wales, Australia | 16 Jun 1967 | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | 79 |
| Granddaughter | Eva CRAMP | 1890 | Woollahra, New South Wales, Australia | 1979 | New South Wales, Australia | 89 |
| Grandson | Harold CRAMP | 1892 | Woollahra, New South Wales, Australia | 1892 | Woollahra, New South Wales, Australia | 0 |
| Grandson | Cedric CRAMP | 1897 | Woollahra, New South Wales, Australia | 12 Oct 1917 | Ypres, Belgium | 20 |
| Grandson | Edwin CRAMP | 1899 | Woollahra, New South Wales, Australia | 20 Apr 1918 | France | 19 |
| Grandson | Charles John DEAR | 21 Mar 1867 | Nebo, Queensland, Australia | 20 Apr 1935 | Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | 68 |
| Granddaughter | Caroline (Carrie) Sophia DEAR | 01 Jun 1868 | Redfern, New South Wales, Australia | 1946 | Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | 78 |
| Granddaughter | Bessie DEAR | 11 Mar 1871 | Queensland, Australia | 1871 | Queensland, Australia | 0 |
| Granddaughter | May Constance (Daisy) DEAR | 07 Aug 1872 | Queensland, Australia | 1953 | Brisbane, Queensland, Australia | 81 |
| Granddaughter | Alice Jane DEAR | 06 Jun 1874 | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | |||
| Granddaughter | Jessie Walter DEAR | 11 Feb 1881 | Queensland, Australia | South Africa | ||
| Events in John CRAMP (1809 - 1873)'s life | |||||
| Date | Age | Event | Place | Notes | Src |
| 14 Nov 1809 | John CRAMP was born | Thanet, Buckinghamshire, England | |||
| 22 Sep 1833 | 23 | Married Sophia Matilda BALLS (aged 20) | St Marylebone, Middlesex, England | ||
| 1834 | 25 | Birth of daughter Marianne Mary Ann CRAMP | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | ||
| abt 1835 | 26 | Birth of daughter Frances Harriet CRAMP | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | ||
| abt Dec 1837 | 28 | Birth of son John James CRAMP | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | Note 1 | |
| 07 May 1840 | 30 | Birth of daughter Sophia Matilda Emily CRAMP | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | Note 2 | |
| abt Dec 1840 | 31 | Birth of daughter Caroline CRAMP | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | Note 3 | |
| 1841 | 32 | Census | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | ||
| abt Sep 1842 | 32 | Birth of daughter Harriette CRAMP | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | Note 4 | |
| 1851 | 42 | Census | St George the Martyr, Middlesex, England | ||
| 1857 | 48 | Immigration | Sydney, New South Wales, Australia | per 'Glen Isla' | 18 |
| 12 Jul 1866 | 56 | Death of wife Sophia Matilda BALLS (aged 53) | At sea | Note 5 | 18 |
| 12 Apr 1873 | 63 | John CRAMP died | Banana, Queensland, Australia | 1873/C2 | 18 |
| Personal Notes: |
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John Cramp became a Telegraphic Linesman at Ipswich, Qld and was appointed by William John Cracknell as Telegraph Station Master in 1862.
. JOHN CRAMP was born 14 Nov 1809 in Birchington, Kent, and died 12 Apr 1873 in Banana, QLD. He married SOPHIA MATILDA BALLS 22 Sep 1833 in All Souls, Marleybone, Middlesex or Regent St. London, daughter of JAMES BALLS and ELIZABETH WARD. She was born 02 Jul 1813 in Boston, Linconshire, England, and died 12 Jul 1866 in Drowned on the sinking of the steamer "Cawarra" at Newcastle. Notes for JOHN CRAMP: * Bapt 14 Jan 1810 Birchington, Kent * From 1851 Census Return: HO107/1513/201 69 Theobalds Road, Holborn John Cramp - Hd - M - 41 yrs - Coal Merchant - Thanet - Buckingham (Note: There is no place in Kent by this name and it would appear likely that the enumerator in London misheard, and it may have been Birchington which is where his parents married?) Sophia Matilda Cramp - Wf - M - 37 yrs - Lincs - Boston Mary Ann Cramp - D - 16 yrs - St George the Martyr Frances Harriet Cramp - D - 15 Yrs - " John James Cramp - S - 13 yrs - " Sophia Matilda Cramp - D - 11 yrs - " Caroline Cramp - D - 10 yrs - " Harriet Cramp - D - 8 yrs - " George Edward Thompson - half brother 24 yrs - Surrey - Croydon. * Before coming to Australia John CRAMP was a pianoforte maker with the well known 19th century firm of John Broadwood & Sons. In the firm's history, "Broadwood by appointment" there is a brief mention of "Cramp" under the date 1850. It is therefore a bit of a puzzle that John was described as a coal merchant in the 1851 census? * John CRAMP and family immigrated on board ship "GLEN ISLA" in 1857. The ship left Liverpool on 25 March 1857 and arrived at Port Jackson, Sydney on 2 July 1857. * Family included: John aged 47 yrs - born abt 1810 Sophia aged 43 yrs - born abt 1814 Mary Ann aged 22 yrs - born abt 1835 Frances H. aged 21 yrs - born abt 1836 Sophia M. aged 17 yrs - born abt 1840 Caroline aged 16 yrs - born abt 1841 Harriet aged 14 yrs - born abt 1843. * The only son, John James, preceded the family and travelled on the "Hindostan" which departed Southampton on 26 October 1856 and arrived at Port Jackson on 12 February 1857. Also on board this ship were his future brothers in law, Walter Bennett and Henry John Tillidge. * John snr was employed in the QLD Public Service as an Electric Telegraph Master and retired in 1869 to become a storekeeper in Banana. He lived in Banana with his eldest daughter Mrs Marianne Bennett, the mother of Walter John (age 5 yrs) who perished with his Grandmother Sophia (John's wife) on the ship Cawarra which sank outside Newcastle Harbour on 11 July 1866. * At the time of his death in 1873 he was aged 63 years and was a storekeeper at Banana. * He had been resident in QLD for 14 years. More About JOHN CRAMP: Burial: 13 Apr 1873, Cemetery, Banana, QLD Notes for SOPHIA MATILDA BALLS: * NSW Death Registration No. 501435/1866. * She was aged 53 years at the time of her death. * Sophia drowned when the Steamer "Cawarra" sank at the entrance to Newcastle Harbour on 12 July 1866. The ship had sailed from Sydney on 11 July 1866. I have a copy of a newspaper article on the tragedy. She was travelling with her grandson Walter John BENNETT as passengers to Rockhampton. They were possibly travelling to Banana to join John CRAMP Snr who was the local Electric Telegraph Master. * At the time of her death in 1866 all of her children were still alive. More About SOPHIA MATILDA BALLS: Burial: 18 Jul 1866, Camperdown Cemetery, Sydney Marriage Notes for JOHN CRAMP and SOPHIA BALLS: * They were actually married twice, the second marriage ceremony was on 27 October 1833 at St. Pancras, Old Church, St. Pancras, Middlesex. * Both marriages are recorded on the IGI and both have been checked in the original Parish Registers and are correct. * He was aged 25 years at the time of their marriage. Children of JOHN CRAMP and SOPHIA BALLS are: 3. i. MARY ANN (MARIANNE) CRAMP, b. 20 Jun 1834, London; d. 12 Jul 1923, Banana, QLD. ii. FRANCES HARRIET CRAMP, b. 21 Jul 1835, London; d. 29 Jul 1929, Goulburn, NSW; m. SAMUEL HARBO(R)NE BELCHER, 29 Oct 1863, Sydney. Notes for SAMUEL HARBO(R)NE BELCHER: * He was a graduate from Trinity College, Dublin, and came to Australia in 1861. He was a school teacher and established a boarding school for boys in Goulburn, NSW from 1868 to 1883. * He died in Goulburn in 1920. Marriage Notes for FRANCES CRAMP and SAMUEL BELCHER: * NSW Marriage Registration No.: 895/1863 4. iii. JOHN JAMES CRAMP, b. 20 Oct 1836, St. George the Martyr, London; d. 21 Aug 1905, Waverley, Sydney. iv. SOPHIA MATILDA CRAMP, b. 07 May 1838, London, England; d. 11 Feb 1901, Brisbane; m. JOHN WILLIAM DEAR, 30 Dec 1862, Palmer St, Woolloomooloo, Sydney; b. 21 Nov 1836, England; d. 1920, Brisbane. Notes for JOHN WILLIAM DEAR: * He was a French Polisher. * He was then employed in the Electric Telegraph (in a job similar to his Father-in-law John CRAMP) and server as station master in several Queensland towns. * He may be the John W. DEARS who arrived as an assisted immigrant at Port Jackson on the ship "Parsee" on 9 February 1857? Marriage Notes for SOPHIA CRAMP and JOHN DEAR: * NSW Marriage Registration No. 980/1862. v. CAROLINE CRAMP, b. 03 Dec 1840, London; d. 27 Nov 1920, Sydney; m. HENRY JOHN TILLIDGE, 12 Oct 1861, Sydney; d. 1898, Sydney. Notes for HENRY JOHN TILLIDGE: * He was an accountant in a merchant firm in Sydney. Marriage Notes for CAROLINE CRAMP and HENRY TILLIDGE: * NSW Marriage Registration No.: 692/1861. * They were living at Victoria St. Sydney at the time of Caroline's mothers death in 1866. vi. HARRIET CRAMP, b. Abt. 1842, London; d. 03 Jun 1911, Sydney; m. CHARLES AR(T)LETT, 1867, Sydney; d. 1906, Sydney. Notes for CHARLES AR(T)LETT: * He was a member of the Municipal Council of Paddington in Sydney. Marriage Notes for HARRIET CRAMP and CHARLES AR(T)LETT: * NSW Marriage Registration No.: 766/1867. |
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| - Reference = Pip Bucknell 23 Jun 2015 (Name, Notes) |
| - Notes: An additional observation on the death certificate :-
John Cramp was indeed Frances Harriet Belcher's father. It is also true that in UK he was a piano polisher & capable of assembly & tuning. However, before he left UK he was he was a coal merchant & I believe that caused his ill health & hence the move to Australia. They were in Sydney 1857, & I have a long letter published in UK, detailing the appalling conditions in Sydney. Frances Harriet was sent to Ipswich in 1857 (late) to gain work at 80.00 pounds a year & send it back to Sydney for the others to live. John Cramp went to Ipswich and became a school teacher at Ipswich Grammar. Unfortunately that closed prior to the present Ipswich Grammar opened & John cramp became the first public servant appointed outside Brisbane – as a telegraph linesman. He became telegraph station master & went with the Telegraph line as the rail line was extended to Toowoomba & Drayton. From there he went to Banana in Qld. He wife was killed in a ship wreck off Newcastle in 1866 and she & a 5 year old grandson are both buried at Camden. John Cramp is buried at Banana as you know. His daughter, Marianne Bennett lived with John Cramp a and Marianne’s various children until he died in 1873. |
| - Reference = Pip Bucknell 27 Oct 2010 (Death) |